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« on: October 03, 2003, 12:27:41 AM »
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You've heard and read somewhere that the Philippines population is running away uncontrollably.

But did you ever stop and read the statistics that matter?

Do you run a country without looking at the true figures?
Do you run a company without checking its financial figures?
Did you swallow the overpopulation propaganda without checking if it is true?

Well here are the public figures.  All available from the Population commission, United Nations and the ADB.  


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« on: April 23, 2004, 11:23:03 PM »
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Where did you get this from?

More needs to be done ; I mean the population of the Philippines is still a major concern and I believe that EVERY Filipino in the country should be aware of it. I am a supporter of zero population growth because the population of the country will still grow despite a SHRINKING fertility and population growth rate in the future. What I mean is is that the population growth will take a while until it completely STOPS. I suggest that the government should enforce a vigorous population control program.

Anyway the population of the Philippines should only have been at about 20 MILLION in the first place instead of the 76.5 million (2000 census) of contemporary times. In that scenario just imagine (20 million):

- (Purchasing Power Parity) PER CAPITA (GNP) income would have been much higher; perhaps US$20000 instead of a lowly US$4700 (CIA factbook)

- That the country can COMFORTABLY provide for its OWN PEOPLE

- It would have been highly likely that there wouldn't have been much sub-standard housing (slums)

- Criminal acts would be lower

- There wouldn't have been EMIGRATION in the form of domestic workers (how f**king humiliating), nurses and so on

- ABSOLUTELY NO ISLAMIST OR COMMUNIST INSURGENCIES that has reasonably undermined the nation in its 3rd republic history (from 1946) since the country is rich ($20,000 per capita PPP as mentioned above). There wouldn't be any reason for these types of dissidents to do these.

- A virtually non-existent illegal mail-order bride program

- That the country wouldn't have a world ranking of 175 in soccer as a result of more resources being allocated to young people because of a much smaller populace.

Ok I acknowlege that progress has been made but it is still NOT GOOD ENOUGH. If you look at the present situation a large minority of the populace live in poverty as a result of overpopulation and AT LEAST 2 million children are homeless.
Let me just say that a zero population growth programme should be implemented ASAP.

Agree???
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« on: April 24, 2004, 12:17:21 AM »
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Regarding Zero Population Growth:

------ zpg advocate said: -------
"Let me just say that a zero population growth programme should be implemented ASAP."

This line of thinking is sooo 1960s and 70s. Hellooo, time to update your calendar and statistics.  Today is 2004, the numbers have been counted.  Your suggestion is sooo outdated.

You advocate a programme that was and is still being implemented since the 1960s until today 2004 and it has already been very very successful in culling the births of Filipinos for over 40 years. As you can see in the population control section of the web site: "Tapos na ang boxing."

Come on man, did you see the graph?
2.4 Total Fertility Rate is Zero Population Growth.
Anything below 2.4 is Negative Population Growth.

The Philippines will definitely be in ZPG TFR by 2010.

That is less than 6 years from today... and still you complain.

I know why you are complaining.  
You are complaining because you are enthralled with absolute population numbers such as 80 million, 100 million... but absolute population numbers are insignificant compared to Total Fertility Rate, because all people eventually die and they have to be replaced.


------ zpg advocate said: -------
"Ok I acknowlege that progress has been made but it is still NOT GOOD ENOUGH."

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This is exactly the kind of extremist overpopulation religious zealotry we are talking about.

In the face of the overwhelming, indisputable evidence, it will never be enough for people like you.

The mathematical probability of a decrease of people from 80 million to 20 million is not possible in one (1) lifetime.

Not even the Rwandan genocide of the 1990s where 800,000 people were massacred will achieve your extreme goal.  

Only the catastrophe of the combined world wide deaths of World War 2 (56 million++) will achieve your insane goal.

And don't you dare pick on not allowing children to be born.  Children are the future.  

Better that you pick a fight with old people not giving way to the new generation. You might say that the old people have outlived their usefulness while the new, improved generation awaits to be born.

People live too long today, you should work on shortening lifespans to decrease the population.  Filipino expected lifespan today is 70.  Can you just imagine the sheer number of 50+ year olds still alive and taking up precious space?

Russian lifespan is 55. That coupled with a TFR of 1.4 and 2/3 of all pregancies end up in abortion; Russia today is losing 1 million people NET every year.  Is this the result you are looking for?

Maybe you can create a virus that kills off all people above 30 or 40 years old.

That should do it.
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Here is a clue for you from http://www.zpg.org
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About Zero Population Growth's new name

Population Connection

After a year of careful review and consideration, the Board of Directors of Zero Population Growth on February 2, 2002 voted unanimously to change the name of our organization to Population Connection, effective May 1, 2002.
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(These people have changed their org name because they have already achieved Zero Population Growth but are still advocating for even less people just like you.  They all need to keep their jobs and funding going. He he he.)


If you have time, please visit the Pro-Life office at the Good Shepherd compound in Cubao and the people there will gladly teach you about population age pyramids.

This is all solid math man.

If you want me to answer your economic theory, go ahead and ask me to, medyo mahaba lang, pero masaya: All economic, capitalist and financial theories, practice and projections are based on increasing populations. Reply ka if you want a lecture on basic economic realities of the world and the basis of money.

If you are interested in the truth, set an appointment.

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Honestly:

I sincerely hope you read the whole web site and the collection of news articles in the message board.

And thank you very much for your post. Smiley
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« on: April 24, 2004, 09:16:11 PM »
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I never said I was a 'Malthusian' or 'extremist' population control advcocate.

Also I am not anti-child (though I don't plan on having children)and I do not harbour suggestive thoughts about 'introducing a deadly disease' that will wipe out all people over 40(pfft). Myself I am a believer in a 'Supreme Being' (God) that created the universe and I am a believer in ethics, though I am NOT 'religious' (as in Christianity). The Catholic Church HAS NO RIGHT to influence politics, for example; initiating street demonstrations against something like abortion. Yes I and many other rational Filipinos support abortion because it is this measure is 'PRO CHOICE'. Rapid population growth in the past was primarily the main reason why the Philippines could not significantly prosper and also why the economy grew slowly relative to other East Asian countries (Malaysia, Singapore, South Korea etc.).

It is highly likely that there would be NOTHING problematic about an ageing population. While this may be a slight strain on the economy (welfare) this will be fully OFFSET by less resource spending on education for the young and far less people unemployed due to a smaller labour force relative to job demand (higher economic growth). Above all, the government will always find a way to combat an ageing population in the future (for eg.-by increasing the set work retirement age).

Who knows but in the future I HOPE that the Philippines will be prosperous (achieve DEVELOPED NATION status) by 2030; and it can do this through sustained population management. Because it truly deserves it.
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« on: September 02, 2004, 04:29:47 PM »
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Have tried looking at the historical fertility rates from POPCOM and ADB with no joy.  Could you post specific url's please.

Though I am not an advocate of zpg, I would like the population growth rate come down to a level that could be met by employment generation which is currently at 1.7%.  With the current rate at 2.3%, you could easily see why un-employment is a nightmare to a lot of our working age youths entering the workforce annually.

Doing nothing to control the population which the country could barely feed, is almost a crime imho.
 Smiley

My source for the stat: http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2004/jun/27/yehey/opinion/20040627opi7.html
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« on: September 02, 2004, 09:20:54 PM »
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(warning: TRUTH hurts, Truth will hurt, I apologize for explaining the TRUTH, but it must be done for you to understand the TRUTH)

For the "Mathematically Challenged" readers:

The REALLY BIG CRIME is fooling the GULLIBLE PUBLIC that there is a POPULATION EXPLOSION PROBLEM.

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Doing nothing to control the population?
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Goodness! Where have you been? See the graph at the very TOP of this Topic? It shows TOTAL FERTILITY RATE from a high of 7 children per woman, down to 6, down to 5, 4, 3, 2....

How can you call that NOTHING?  That is SOLID EVIDENCE of 40+ YEARS of Population Control brainwashing the WHOLE FILIPINO POPULATION! This is evidence that slaps you right across your face sticking out its tongue at you and you CANNOT see it!!!



Now that is what is called media brain washing.
Please direct your anger of being fooled to the
jerks at congress who want to make more money
in terms of kickbacks and payolas and
institutionalizing a new cash cow: contraceptives.
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Population growth rate is what the racists would like you to be fixated on. That statistic is bull.  Growth rate in % has been going down down down along with fertility rate.

Population growth rate as a statistic is like saying my corporation has THIS MUCH SALES.  But actually my PROFITS are getting SLIMMER.  See the sleight of hand?

So now the RACISTS want YOU to view that having MANY FILIPINOS as something BAD. Good grief. What a bunch of liers. Don't fall for that crap.

JAPAN HAS A WHOPPING 127 MILLION chinky eyed people today! And it is because of their 127 MILLION PEOPLE that they are rich!

Think about consumers! Think manufacturing economies of scale! Think made in Japan products are purchased by 100+ million chinky eyed Japanese! Think, if you make shoes in the Philippines and if 100+ million Filipinos were to buy these shoes, then the shoe industry would be great!

But what stupid government policies are put into place? Yeah right, open your market to chinese shoe dumping and smuggling and kill our own shoe industry. Import the cheap stuff. Close down OUR OWN FACTORIES. Lay off OUR WORKERS. Then people complain there is too much unemployment. Then the same lousy government and politicians complain about having too many people being the cause of poverty. Why? Answers: Because they want to cover up their stupid policies, they want to wash their hands off the problem they themselves created, by blaming THE VERY PEOPLE THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO SERVE, US! Do they think ALL FILIPINOS ARE STUPID?

Don't swallow the voodoo economics 101 that they teach you us 3rd world countries.  The reason they teach these things is to keep us down and out and keep us from reaching our full potential!

It is the FERTILITY RATE that you should be concerned about.
It is the FERTILITY RATE that does not care how long people actually get to live.  Population growth rate is skewed because the median age of dying has kept increasing!

The FERTILITY RATE IS DOWN to 2.7 children per woman TODAY in 2004.  2.4 is ZPG. It will be 2.1 by 2010.

The FERTILITY RATE IS DOWN to 2.7 children per woman TODAY in 2004.  2.4 is ZPG. It will be 2.1 by 2010.

The FERTILITY RATE IS DOWN to 2.7 children per woman TODAY in 2004.  2.4 is ZPG. It will be 2.1 by 2010.


(I have to repeat this for the benefit of othe people which will encounter these arguments for the first time.)

The FERTILITY RATE IS DOWN to 2.7 children per woman TODAY in 2004.  2.4 is ZPG. It will be 2.1 by 2010.

The racists state that the preferred number of children by each woman is between 2-3.  NOW, TODAY, 2004, the measured statistic is 2.7, this is the 2-3 they have been HARPING ABOUT. This is happening NOW! (and will continue to go down down down)

Translation: "Aba e, 2-3 na lang pala inaanak ng ating mga kababaihan e naabot na pala ang hinahangad nitong mga asungot na ito.  Wala na silang dapat ireklamo!"


There is no population explosion.  Do the math yourself. Think really well about it.  This is not a matter of belief.  THIS is a matter of FACT.

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See this book? Brand new. Published 2004.
New new new.  This is my copy I scanned.
For those who are STILL hoodwinked by media PR, get yourself a copy of this book.
It is time some WHITE MAN told you the truth.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0465050506/002-9889775-9826414?v=glance


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More truth: sorry to sound so offensive. This is for all, not you personally.

Though I am not an advocate of zpg, I would like the population growth rate come down to a level that could be met by employment generation which is currently at 1.7%.  With the current rate at 2.3%, you could easily see why un-employment is a nightmare to a lot of our working age youths entering the workforce annually.

You would LIKE this and that.
And what? IMPOSE what YOU LIKE on OTHER PEOPLE who MAY NOT LIKE what YOU LIKE?
My idea is this: for those of you GUNG-HO on these so called "things" YOU LIKE; just IMPOSE THESE IDEAS ON YOURSELVES and leave other people alone. Mind your own bedroom. Please.

Street Language: "Don't tell me how to f*ck my wife and I won't tell you how to f*ck yours."  

Now let us discuss the voodoo bullsh*t economics foreign imperialists  teach us INDIOs: employment generation at 1.7%. with a current population growth rate of 2.3% blah blah crap....

...Now this is non-mathematical garbage.  Today's births have nothing to do with current employment.  They are 1 generation apart! Sheesh!

Percent growth rate also has to do with LONGEVITY.  You applaud people LIVING LONGER, while you complain about population growth rate.  Well la la la, if these oldies just died earlier like on the average 55 instead of today's 70 then we wouldn't have a problem with X.X% growth rate!

Oooohh so now you know that % growth rate is affected by the rate of dying as well as the rate of birthing.  Now since in the previous note I have made CLEAR that the rate of birthing (TFR) has been DECREASING for the past 40 YEARS... then the cause of the % growth rate must be the population MOMENTUM because the old people aren't dying YET... and the previous generations with the 7,6,5,4 children are STILL ALIVE AND WELL.

So the imaginary "problem" of population % growth you see today is NOT CAUSED by BIRTHS!!!

Oh wow! It is a good thing I always had a grade of 1.0 in MATH.
Don't you just love mathematically gifted pro-lifers?
I'm an engineer, my brother is a statistician. Grin
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Have tried looking at the historical fertility rates from POPCOM and ADB with no joy.  Could you post specific url's please.

Sure, I will constantly update this reply for everyone to read.

http://www.adb.org/Documents/News/2002/nr2002127.asp
ADB document shows decline of Total Fertility Rate from 4.4 in 1990 to 3.4 in 2000. (but UN recomputed much lower later, variations are common)

http://www.unescobkk.org/ips/arh-web/demographics/philippines2.cfm
UNESCO has a case study too... (1996)

http://www.gfmer.ch/Books/bookmp/205.htm
Specific situation in the Philippines
by Florante P. Gonzaga
Department of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, College of Medicine, University of the Philippines, Manila, Philippines

TOTAL FERTILITY RATE Projections
Where the lower projection is apparently the correct assumption because the population control extremists are still pumping billions of brainwashing money into contraceptive mentality.






Add year 2004 Population Growth Rate 1.88% (from the CIA World Fact Book)
This is the LOWEST POPULATION GROWTH RATE IN 100 YEARS!

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/rp.html
CIA World Fact Book


More to come...
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Ako ay hindi inhinyero.  Labotero ako.  Ang pahayag na ito ay mula sa aking pagbabasa at pagmamatyag.  Sa aking pananaw, ang lahat ng buhay kasama na ng mga bahagdan nito ay sagrado kaya ang pag-galang at pang-unawa hindi lamang sa kapwa kundi sa lahat ng nasa palibot (may buhay at wala, nakikita at hindi nakikita) ang aking ipinagpapa-una.

You have accused me of imposing my views on others.  Is my previous post an imposition???  Have noticed your attitude to a previous poster here too.  My friend, you may know the pi calculation to quadrillionth decimal place, but you have missed some manners there.  Mind your name at least.

Your post:
...Now this is non-mathematical garbage.  Today's births have nothing to do with current employment.  They are 1 generation apart! Sheesh!

Percent growth rate also has to do with LONGEVITY.  You applaud people LIVING LONGER, while you complain about population growth rate.  Well la la la, if these oldies just died earlier like on the average 55 instead of today's 70 then we wouldn't have a problem with X.X% growth rate!

Oooohh so now you know that % growth rate is affected by the rate of dying as well as the rate of birthing.  Now since in the previous note I have made CLEAR that the rate of birthing (TFR) has been DECREASING for the past 40 YEARS... then the cause of the % growth rate must be the population MOMENTUM because the old people aren't dying YET... and the previous generations with the 7,6,5,4 children are STILL ALIVE AND WELL.

So the imaginary "problem" of population % growth you see today is NOT CAUSED by BIRTHS!!!

Oh wow! It is a good thing I always had a grade of 1.0 in MATH.
Don't you just love mathematically gifted pro-lifers?
I'm an engineer, my brother is a statistician..

Mine:
You have missed a glaring one there, Mr Engineer and Gentleman.  Ever wonder why the wild herd animals in Africa deliberately time their births to the onset of favourable weather?

Those are animals can foresee the best opportunity for their young to survive in this material world.  Kung hindi mo makuha ang relasyon ng birth rate sa employment rate ay wag kang mag-alala.  Makukuha mo rin yan pagdating ng araw.  Mahirap para sa akin ang mag-explain to someone whose position appears to be set in stone.  Isa pa eh, non-tech person ako.
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« on: September 13, 2004, 10:40:52 PM »
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Mr. Kagtimo,

Now do you now see why I had to send my apologies ahead of time? Sad to say, truth hurts.  More truth: sorry to sound so offensive. This is for all, not you personally.

As for accusing you of imposing views... NO WAY, I am not accusing you... I am accusing the anti-lifers who actually have to PAY millions of pesos to Public Relations experts to print their FALSE arguments on tri-media. The imposition comes with the Population Control bills such as HB 16 filed by Edcel Lagman, P 17 Billion worth of IMPOSITION on the Filipino People based on FALSE assumptions.

As for my mind being set in stone... on the contrary, no way.  I was also fooled by the anti-life propaganda... until the INTERNET arrived, and I got to see REAL CROSS REFERRENCED DATA.

I remember I had a heated pre-internet online debate with a guy named Manny Amador with me stating the case for population control and contraception... Well YEARS LATER, after seeing the cold, emotionless data on the internet... I called him up.  I admitted my folly.  He was correct. I was wrong. Now I write here to open up the eyes of people delivering the "red pill" for people to finally SEE THROUGH the MATRIX of lies all in the name of the Depopulation Agenda.

IF YOU have ANY NEW DATA, hard, factual, indisputable, statistical, scientific data you can share which proves that there is a population explosion problem, go fetch them and post them here.  All TRENDS coming in TODAY in the 21st century point to Population Collapse and Population Aging.  I would love you or anyone to try prove me wrong, just come out with hard data.  We present our cards publicly, face to face, honest, no hiding.

As far as you being able to understand that TODAY's birth rate (which is already the lowest in philippine history mind you), has nothing to do with the present UNEMPLOYMENT rate... this is pretty obvious:

- People entering the work force today were born 20 to 25 years ago.
- People being born today are NOT looking for work.
- Therefore, there is absolutely NO WAY to correlate births today and unemployment.

That ManilaTimes Opinion?  Standard FALSE press release from the Anti-Lifers themselves.  And we just proved it in this message board thread.  Cheesy

As for your concern about animals timing births...
...humans are also affected.  Today, humans are most affected by media brain washing.  Many humans are overwhelmed by poverty, false ideologies, unable to form families and procreate themselves.  

From the book "THE EMPTY CRADLE": So where will the children of the future come from? The answer may be from people who are at odds with the modern environment - either those who don't understand the new rules of the game, which make large families an economic and social liability, or those who, out of religious or chauvinistic conviction, reject the game altogether.

Does this mean that the future belongs to those who believe they are - or who are in fact - commanded by a higher power to procreate? Based on existing trends, the answer appears to be yes.


This explains why Christianity and Islam became the TOP TWO religions in the world: Everybody else contraceptivized themselves to oblivion.  Population explosion hysteria has been trumpeted for more than 2,000 years! The ROMANS had rampant contraception and abortion (exposure) and suffered population aging and collapse from 0-200 AD.  The cycle will be repeated in the 21st century.  

Simple fact: Pro-lifers will always inherit the earth.

Pro-Life. Crystal clear. Direct to the point.  All points covered and answered.

Now do you now see why I had to send my apologies ahead of time? Sad to say, truth hurts.  More truth: sorry to sound so offensive. This is for all, not you personally.


Ako ay hindi inhinyero.  Labotero ako.  Ang pahayag na ito ay mula sa aking pagbabasa at pagmamatyag.  Sa aking pananaw, ang lahat ng buhay kasama na ng mga bahagdan nito ay sagrado kaya ang pag-galang at pang-unawa hindi lamang sa kapwa kundi sa lahat ng nasa palibot (may buhay at wala, nakikita at hindi nakikita) ang aking ipinagpapa-una.

You have accused me of imposing my views on others.  Is my previous post an imposition???  Have noticed your attitude to a previous poster here too.  My friend, you may know the pi calculation to quadrillionth decimal place, but you have missed some manners there.  Mind your name at least.

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Mine:
You have missed a glaring one there, Mr Engineer and Gentleman.  Ever wonder why the wild herd animals in Africa deliberately time their births to the onset of favourable weather?

Those are animals can foresee the best opportunity for their young to survive in this material world.  Kung hindi mo makuha ang relasyon ng birth rate sa employment rate ay wag kang mag-alala.  Makukuha mo rin yan pagdating ng araw.  Mahirap para sa akin ang mag-explain to someone whose position appears to be set in stone.  Isa pa eh, non-tech person ako.

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Mr Gentleman

You are what you are.  The good news is, if you so desire, you can always change to be what you dreamt of yourself to be.

I will mention this just once.  The apologies preceding your posts are referring to population statistics which you presumed may be hurting some people.  Your apologies however does not refer to the intonation and ambiguous presumption of imposition your postings have assumed.  THAT IS THE REAL TRUTH that hurts.  Your message like any other has its own merits.  My comments is that the messenger is tarnishing the substance.  Notice why this very much relevant website seems to be ignored by other posters?  

Yours:
How can you call that NOTHING?  That is SOLID EVIDENCE of 40+ YEARS of Population Control brainwashing the WHOLE FILIPINO POPULATION! This is evidence that slaps you right across your face sticking out its tongue at you and you CANNOT see it!!!

Mine:
Your post refers to TFR vs Years chart.  True, the trendline is going down BUT IT WILL NEVER CROSS THE X AXIS as your chart have taken.  At the worst scenario, the trend will asymptotically parallel the X axis somewhere near the 2% mark.  

Demographic suicide?  No.  We are beings more advanced than the wildebeest of Africa.  Our awareness and consciousness transcends more than one weather change.

Yours:
As for your concern about animals timing births...
...humans are also affected.  Today, humans are most affected by media brain washing.  Many humans are overwhelmed by poverty, false ideologies, unable to form families and procreate themselves.

Mine:
Have you deliberately missed my point here?  The wild animals deliberately time their births with the onset of favourable weather.  In human terms, births are prolific when employment rate is better because the generation giving birth are well fed.  That is my point to illustrate your claim birth rate is not related to employment rate at all because those two terms are a generation apart.
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Mr Gentleman

You are what you are.  The good news is, if you so desire, you can always change to be what you dreamt of yourself to be.

I will mention this just once.  The apologies preceding your posts are referring to population statistics which you presumed may be hurting some people.  Your apologies however does not refer to the intonation and ambiguous presumption of imposition your postings have assumed.  THAT IS THE REAL TRUTH that hurts.  Your message like any other has its own merits.  My comments is that the messenger is tarnishing the substance.  Notice why this very much relevant website seems to be ignored by other posters?  

Yours:
How can you call that NOTHING?  That is SOLID EVIDENCE of 40+ YEARS of Population Control brainwashing the WHOLE FILIPINO POPULATION! This is evidence that slaps you right across your face sticking out its tongue at you and you CANNOT see it!!!

Mine:
Your post refers to TFR vs Years chart.  True, the trendline is going down BUT IT WILL NEVER CROSS THE X AXIS as your chart have taken.  At the worst scenario, the trend will asymptotically parallel the X axis somewhere near the 2% mark.  

Demographic suicide?  No.  We are beings more advanced than the wildebeest of Africa.  Our awareness and consciousness transcends more than one weather change.

Yours:
As for your concern about animals timing births...
...humans are also affected.  Today, humans are most affected by media brain washing.  Many humans are overwhelmed by poverty, false ideologies, unable to form families and procreate themselves.

Mine:
Have you deliberately missed my point here?  The wild animals deliberately time their births with the onset of favourable weather.  In human terms, births are prolific when employment rate is better because the generation giving birth are well fed.  That is my point to illustrate your claim birth rate is not related to employment rate at all because those two terms are a generation apart.

Thank you for your concern about intonation, Kagtimo.
I'm really a nicer guy in person, my written words sound a lot harsher, maybe we will meet someday? Smiley

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Your post refers to TFR vs Years chart.  True, the trendline is going down BUT IT WILL NEVER CROSS THE X AXIS as your chart have taken.  At the worst scenario, the trend will asymptotically parallel the X axis somewhere near the 2% mark.  


Let me clarify the graph: (it is NOT %)

The Y-Axis = Total Fertility Rate, the number of children a woman is expected to give birth in her lifetime.

The X-Axis = Year, where it is pegged at the Y of 2.4 children per woman because this is the ZPG (zero population growth) point for a developing country like ours. (2.1 is for 1st world countries).

The TREND as projected will OBVIOUSLY cross the X-Axis (below 2.4 TFR as indicated in the Y-Axis), the projections are there in the tables given above.  Why is this a certainty?  This has already happened around the world. This has happened in other ASEAN countries. Below replacement TFR < 2.4 has already happened in Islamic countries like Iran and Turkey.  Below replacement TFR < 2.4 has already happened in Catholic countries like Ireland and Poland.

Below replacement TFR < 2.4 will happen to the Philippines. Pustahan tayo piso (I don't gamble).  The onslaught of anti-life propaganda will succeed in culling Filipino bloodlines.  Many of us will NOT become grandparents.

Some of us will become grandparents, some of our family trees will live on and flourish.  We hope the information on this help you with multi-generational survival skills.

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Have you deliberately missed my point here?  The wild animals deliberately time their births with the onset of favourable weather.  In human terms, births are prolific when employment rate is better because the generation giving birth are well fed.  That is my point to illustrate your claim birth rate is not related to employment rate at all because those two terms are a generation apart.

No, I will never want to intentionally miss a point. The point I slammed upon was the Manila Times article that was trying to point out that the unemployment rate was being excacerbated by the population growth rate.

As far as your analysis that times are hard and Filipinos adjust to hard times be having less children... this at first glance seems like common sense, practical.  But on a Macro Level this is not true.

Take Japan, so called richer country, richer people, their Fertility Rate is 1.2x per woman.  Take Italy, so called richer country, Fertility Rate is 1.2x per woman.

The anti-life attitude has succeeded in convincing people that children are a burden, to the point that they should only have 2, 1 or none at all.  There is that big difference from those times when the common number was 7. Some had 10, some had 4, at least there families lived on.  Today, families will die off.

My message to the readers of this web site: Dying off and becoming Extinct is a clear and present danger. Either you don't have children, or your children don't make children. That will truly be the end you.

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« on: September 23, 2004, 11:55:04 PM »
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Philippine Population: Runaway Growth Rate... Exposed as FALSE.

The anti-life lackeys and zombies keep publishing in the newspapers that the Philippines has a 2.3x% growth rate... blah, blah, blah. Sure, but that was 10 years ago. They did not tell you that it was much higher, 20, 30 and 40 years ago. They did not tell you that the population growth rate today (July 2004) has dipped to 1.88% !!!


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